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Post by Someblokecalledave on Aug 24, 2012 17:21:16 GMT -5
This hopefully will become the main area of this forum, much like the Wrist Spinning section of the previous forum. I've gone for the different title as it may be more inclusive and mean more contributors and viewers will find the forum. So if you've come over from the other one - let us know who you are and maybe as I have even hang on to your old name.
So here we go - "The Spin Bowling Forum"!
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Aug 25, 2012 4:12:09 GMT -5
First 24 hours looks promising in that there's been 64 views and one person sign up. If you've found us and you think that there's not enough happening yet and want to see the kind of thing I'm trying to get going, have a look at the spin threads on Bigcricket. www.bigcricket.com/community/forums/spin-bowling.36/
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Aug 25, 2012 6:27:16 GMT -5
Just noticed Tumo has signed up on the new forum. Welcome aboard Tumo, can't say that it's going to be a success,but it's early days yet, hang in there and we'll see how it develops.
Dave
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 1, 2012 12:34:34 GMT -5
How's your season been (UK bowlers)? I've had a ropey season on the bowling front, not been fully fit for much of the time and in the last 2 months or so seem to have strained my upper arm (Deltoid). I've just had a light bowl this afternoon using a plastic training ball with my son and a mate and it's been okay - few twinges and then batted and back to the bowling a little later, come away from it okay though. For a while I was thinking that it may be the precursor to me having to give up. I'll have to rest up and maybe not practice as much as I normally do over the winter and then do fitness work leading up to winter nets and ease into the season?
Hopefully with the Aussie season coming up will see some Aussies joining us and getting involved? Noted Macca's joined us - cheers Macca and we'll be looking forward to hearing how Jimmy gets on this season for his club.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 2, 2012 15:50:01 GMT -5
Some of you may know that I've been in touch with one of the worlds best bowlers and he's been replying to my emails to him regarding drift and recently suggested that I uploaded a video on youtube for him to have a look at. I used one of the vids from a year and half ago shot during the winter - so I'm on concrete using hockey balls in the vid. I didn't hear from him, and guessed that having looked at the video and seeing my winter training set up might have thought it was a bit of a joke. But today I got this...
Re: Drift Hi Dave, thanks for being so patient. I wanted to make sure I didn't rush through without giving your video the attention it deserves.
The first thing that leaps out at me is that your front foot lands in front of middle... this means you have to bowl around your front foot, when what we want to do is bowl up and over it. Imagine that you're stepping over a box with your back leg, whilst still driving straight towards the batsman.
It will feel uncomfortable at first, but this is especially true with your wrongun. Even though you want it to go the other way, you still have to follow through in the same manner, just pull through a little stronger. As it stands currently, your wrist and bowling arm are going towards fine leg, your front arm and body towards 3rd man... makes it tough to land them consistently.
Your toppie and flipper/slider/backie are more consistently on line, predominantly because of exactly this; you prepare and then follow through straighter because you know where you want them to go.
Ideally follow through straight towards the batsman. You're thinking the right way with your straight run-up. At the beginning of my career I was almost running in at 45° which caused all sorts of problems...
Having said that, I think behind the umpire is a little extreme. Remember you're trying to prepare to release the ball, so a slight angle assists you get into a side on release point without compromising your momentum. Ive double checked by watching video of warney, myself & quadir; none of us planted our front foot in line with middle.
I'd say that because you do this, you're forced to rotate too much at point of delivery, bowling around your front foot instead of up and over it. This is prob why you're not getting the drift you want, even though you're getting plenty of side spin.
When you're working on it, start at the top of your mark, not by obsessing about your front foot. Concentrate on keeping your head up and weight going straight towards the batsman. If you don't seem to be making any headway, whack a stump on the front crease so you have to bowl wider.
When you settle on a run-up, make it identical every time. I mean absolutely carbon copy identical. There are enough things that can go wrong bowling leggies without releasing the ball from a slightly different base each delivery.
Momentum is key... pull your front arm straight through towards batsman and keep your weight moving with it. If you do this, you'll prob end up following through towards slip. When you bowl flippers/backspinners you need to relax your grip on the ball at the top of your mark. Concentrate less on the outcome off the pitch more on release and the shape you want in the air.
If you tighten up you won't get as much rotation of wrist fingers etc so even if it's in the right spot it won't be your best offering. I reckon you get plenty on it and clearly think about things a lot. This is a good thing. Be confident that if you try a delivery and it doesn't work out the way you want, you haven't necessarily prepared/planned or executed badly. Sometimes they just don't come out right.
Let me know how you go; coaching & learning via email is not the easiest!
Good luck mate, Stu MacGill
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Post by goldenarm on Sept 2, 2012 17:00:01 GMT -5
What a guy, this may be the coolest thing to ever happen on the spin forums! Have you tried to get him on here?
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 2, 2012 18:15:07 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not sure what to do, it's a case of he's probably got freelance work of some sort going on or family commitments and it's brilliant that he's replied, but it's pretty obvious that if I or anyone was to keep bugging him and asking him questions he'd probably get miffed with it in the end? It'd be interesting to find out how involved he is in cricket, you'd imagine that the stint he did with Redbacks would lead to coaching opportunities - but who knows in Australia and around the world during his career he may have earned enough money to be able to pick and choose when he works and when he works? Maybe Macca might know what he's up to? But, yeah I might suggest he at least has a look - wont lose anything by doing so will we - but what do you reckon here or on bigcricket?
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Post by funk192 on Sept 3, 2012 8:42:38 GMT -5
That's great! I even found these things helpful, and have something to work at because I am sure I am not doing what Stuart Macgill has written for you to do.
Re: getting him on here, maybe not such a good idea when people start to realise that it's really him and then everyone starts bugging him, but on the other hand would be good to have his views on aspects of legspin bowling. Maybe you should be the middle man Dave? If there is anything none of us know, and need the help of a professional maybe you can ask for us, and he can choose whether he wants to give his words of wisdom and take as long as he wants.
I did ask if he was going to write a book though or make a coaching dvd, would be better that he made money instead of giving us critique for free. I remember that video about that bloke who sent his video in got critiqued by some professionals that had Beau Casson in it, he must have payed for that surely?
I wont reply to him unless I have a video for him to critique, I don't want to piss him off because after all everyone has their limits.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 3, 2012 15:27:04 GMT -5
All the evidence on the internet would suggest that he's occupied much of the time with his interest in wine (Wolf blass), I'm guessing that's one of his income streams. Yeah I reckon it could easily be the case that if people were to inundate him with requests and emails he'd stop replying to people. I'm not sure we've said on here how we've managed to contact him or whether it's general knowledge that he can be contacted via that method, but thinking about it further we're a very small group of niche specialists, so perhaps people haven't been on his case? I think what I'll do is - thank him for the advice and feedback and then say that I've posted his comments on a forum and that the information in his feedback is universally accepted as being useful and see what he says?
The Beau Casson thing was a you say a commercial venture. The bloke that paid for it initially was a blogger/wrist spinner who then seems to have ripped some of the reply that he'd paid for and uploaded it to Youtube. It may have been a means to promote their services in part. As Stuart M has said, it's not that easy giving sound and useful advice via the internet. I'd imagine that coming from someone like Macgill or Casson it lends it credance - but as to how much you could earn from it - that's another matter. I noted that in the last couple of months Menno Gazendum whose credentials were not that easily clarified has given up on pushing his on-line e-book. I don't know anyone who actually paid for it or how good it was.
I don't think there's a lot of scope in trying to make money in that way, for a number of reasons, but one of them has to be the fact that there are so few people bowling wrist spin that would go looking for the info and then probably even less that would pay for it.
But, the idea of a Terry Jenner type set up where you know that each year he's in your country for a couple of months and that there's several venues that he's going to be at during that period demonstrating and coaching people, that's another prospect altogether and one that I'd pay to go and see and be involved in. But that would need someone of Macgills calibre to pull off as a success I'd imagine?
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Post by billywhizz on Sept 3, 2012 15:30:52 GMT -5
Fantastic!! I found much of that advice applicable to myself. I would'nt bother him too much - that detailed well worded synopsis is a gift, and worth the price of a top coaching session
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 3, 2012 15:39:43 GMT -5
Yeah absolutely Bill.
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Post by billywhizz on Sept 3, 2012 15:44:39 GMT -5
Thanks for putting his response up Dave. I'm sure loads of leggies will find that advice incredibly useful.
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Post by goldenarm on Sept 4, 2012 15:54:21 GMT -5
Had a really productive net session this evening, was a lovely late summers evening, such a shame the season is drawing to its inexorable close now, if only winter lasted from october to january and then summer just started again! Wouldn't be so bad would it? Anyway I'm still working hard on my bowling despite the fact I only have one game left. I'd felt like i'd lost a bit of my zip the last few weeks, I've still been taking a few wickets and getting the ball to turn but its been lacking some of that dip and drift which beats the bat through the air, its too easy to just rely on the pitch being a sticky dog and doing all the work for you, and I have been struggling on the less helpful wickets. Fortunately the wicket we used tonight has been baked under the hot sun and gone rock hard, but did not offer easy assistance, so it was the perfect opportunity to bowl for a long spell, so whilst everyone else took their turn batting I just wheeled away for a couple of hours solid. I'd seen a video of Warne earlier this week and by accident paused it during his delivery stride, he was perfectly side on just at the point of rocking back and with his hand curled and wrist cocked by his trouser pocket, this image really struck me as it highlighted to me the absolutely ideal position one should be in at this point to extract maximum power from your action and impart spin upon the ball, so tonight i held that image fast in my mind and really concentrated on replicating it in my own action, not imitating as such, i didn't change my action or anything daft like that but just getting nicely side on, up and over my front foot with a powerful follow through and making sure my hand started not somewhere out to the side but down by that pocket, cocked and therefore doing a full rotation before it leaves the hand. The results were immediate, I felt that old zip coming back and the ball was clearly moving on the batsman towards the end of its flight. I just wish the season wasn't ending now so I could carry on improving rather than having to stop completely and pick this up again in bloody April!
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Post by funk192 on Sept 4, 2012 16:16:08 GMT -5
Well once again Stuart MacGill proves he's a top bloke, he's responded to my email. I had asked him if he ever thought of making a Coaching/training DVD of sorts or writing a book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i doubt that i will actually produce anything for retail market along the lines of your suggestion, but i think there's a strong chance that i'll put together some digital content that will hopefully answer a few questions. for the time being please encourage any of your mates that have an interest in spin bowling to contact me through G+ or YouTube... I certainly don't mind talking about cricket- it doesn't happen as much nowadays cheers stu --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by macca on Sept 5, 2012 13:45:14 GMT -5
That advice from magilla will keep us going for a while. Talk about a legend, you could watch macgill bowl all day and to quote kerry okeefe "dont let anyone tell you macgill was not accurate and bowled one bad ball an over. He could land 6 in a shoebox"
How many times he picked up wickets from a long hop after half a dozen brilliant balls leads me to believe they were mainly on purpose. Like Grimmett would do, and macgill was coached from the grimmett books in his youth.
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