macca
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Post by macca on Oct 27, 2012 17:16:59 GMT -5
my young bloke has figures of 8 overs 2 maidens 4/22 after the weekend. no sundries and he has gone for 2 boundaries but everything else singles.
he is going to be playing on some good turf wickets in the next few weeks. that should be interesting.
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Post by leftie600 on Oct 27, 2012 17:49:31 GMT -5
Played my first official game of the season taking 2-9 off my 6 overs in cleaning up the tail of a very weak opposition. 2 easy wickets, the first was a one over set up that ended with a quick leg break pushed straight to short cover, the second was 2 overs of putting their 10 in a tangle before putting a donkey drop leg break outside off which he duly skied. I should've got more for less considering I had 3 dropped catches of my bowling!
The kid I'm coaching did a great job after coming on in the 12th over, 10 overs 26 for 3 I think, he used his 3 deliveries (leg break, slider and toppie) beautifully. What I was impressed about, despite his control and execution of bowling plans, was his reading of the game situation and how he used that to manipulate the batsmen.
They needed to up the run rate so he put in a slow overspun legbreak which the batsman charged and hit for 4 through midwicket. The next was a quicker topspinner which the batsman played off the back foot but was obviously eyeing up a cut or pull if it turned either way. The last was a slider on the same length where the batsman rocked onto the back foot only to see the ball scoot straight through and take his off stump, this was some quality bowling.
At the end of this season I'm going to get him to complete the loop with the addition of a googly and through the winter I'll get him to develop a flipper.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 27, 2012 18:46:33 GMT -5
You'll have to keep an eye on him Macca and let us know how he gets on, maybe we'll create a thread for him like we do with some of the pro's?
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 27, 2012 18:48:41 GMT -5
Played my first official game of the season taking 2-9 off my 6 overs in cleaning up the tail of a very weak opposition. 2 easy wickets, the first was a one over set up that ended with a quick leg break pushed straight to short cover, the second was 2 overs of putting their 10 in a tangle before putting a donkey drop leg break outside off which he duly skied. I should've got more for less considering I had 3 dropped catches of my bowling! The kid I'm coaching did a great job after coming on in the 12th over, 10 overs 26 for 3 I think, he used his 3 deliveries (leg break, slider and toppie) beautifully. What I was impressed about, despite his control and execution of bowling plans, was his reading of the game situation and how he used that to manipulate the batsmen. They needed to up the run rate so he put in a slow overspun legbreak which the batsman charged and hit for 4 through midwicket. The next was a quicker topspinner which the batsman played off the back foot but was obviously eyeing up a cut or pull if it turned either way. The last was a slider on the same length where the batsman rocked onto the back foot only to see the ball scoot straight through and take his off stump, this was some quality bowling. At the end of this season I'm going to get him to complete the loop with the addition of a googly and through the winter I'll get him to develop a flipper. How old's this kid Leftie? What do you do in your training sessions most of the time?
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macca
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Post by macca on Oct 27, 2012 20:19:00 GMT -5
You'll have to keep an eye on him Macca and let us know how he gets on, maybe we'll create a thread for him like we do with some of the pro's? yeah i am going to follow his career and get out and watch him this season and i next time i see him train i am going to introduce myself and get him to check out jimmys bowling and tell him about this forum.
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Post by macca on Oct 27, 2012 20:37:12 GMT -5
Played my first official game of the season taking 2-9 off my 6 overs in cleaning up the tail of a very weak opposition. 2 easy wickets, the first was a one over set up that ended with a quick leg break pushed straight to short cover, the second was 2 overs of putting their 10 in a tangle before putting a donkey drop leg break outside off which he duly skied. I should've got more for less considering I had 3 dropped catches of my bowling! The kid I'm coaching did a great job after coming on in the 12th over, 10 overs 26 for 3 I think, he used his 3 deliveries (leg break, slider and toppie) beautifully. What I was impressed about, despite his control and execution of bowling plans, was his reading of the game situation and how he used that to manipulate the batsmen. They needed to up the run rate so he put in a slow overspun legbreak which the batsman charged and hit for 4 through midwicket. The next was a quicker topspinner which the batsman played off the back foot but was obviously eyeing up a cut or pull if it turned either way. The last was a slider on the same length where the batsman rocked onto the back foot only to see the ball scoot straight through and take his off stump, this was some quality bowling. At the end of this season I'm going to get him to complete the loop with the addition of a googly and through the winter I'll get him to develop a flipper. that was good bowling from the youngster. best idea you have of not worryin about wrongun or flipper till seasons end. legbreaks and straight ones is enough to to beat the best. although you could get him to prepare for the flipper without interfering with his bowling by using a small rubber ball and flipping it up like tossing a coin. not trying to bowl it overarm with a full size ball or anything like that because that would probably muck up his present form. you dont even have to tell them or make a big deal about it being a flipper you are embarking on. just show him the way to click the smaller softer ball out with thumb and 2nd finger. thats the easy part according to grimmett, the hard thing is to do it overarm with a full sized ball over 22 yards.
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Post by leftie600 on Oct 27, 2012 22:39:12 GMT -5
Macca - Completely agree, the flipper isn't a necessity but he will need it if he ever plays on dusty tracks due to sliders sometimes taking a little too much turn. Definitely taken on board the bits that everyone has posted in the Flipper forum, my plan is to emphasize to him that a flipper works on batsmen because of what it looks like but isn't (looks like a legbreak but isn't). He can worry about the more subtle things when he can actually bowl one. Someblokecalleddave - The kid's a project that's been given to me by the club's coach, he was a social player out of high school (18) that was basically the 6th bowler in his side. The coach saw something in him and at the start of last season he asked that I work with him. My first task was to get some consistency in his action and get him to understand what he was doing with his legbreak. So far, over the last year the tasks have been: 1. Get him following through at his target while giving the ball a rip, helped him to understand the importance of weight transfer, the follow through and the leading arm 2. Encourage varying the side and overspin on his legbreak to help understand how that works against the batsman and how it works on different surfaces 3. Once 1 and 2 were happening for him I encouraged him to bowl to a batsman, with a keeper, on an open wicket at practices. The batsman doesn't whack the ball around but gets into position as he would normally do but just plays it into the ground, the batsman explains what shot he would play in a game and why. Doing this I would get the kid to work on 6 ball plans or even longer ones if he was bowling to the club's best. If he didn't know what to do I would break things down in simple terms so he could make the mental leap himself. 4. With 3 now a regular part of his practice and 1 and 2 his safety net if things start going wrong I start to introduce deliveries for him to master one at a time in this order: Slider, Toppie, Googly, Flipper, OBS. I make a point of explaining how each delivery, as it is introduced, and how it can help him against batsmen he has had trouble with in the past. I really believe in number 3, bowling at targets and a net session is fine but once you can bowl a delivery consistently the game is about bowling plans and thinking on your feet which is sometimes forgotten about in a player's development. With kids 16 and under the main issue is to stop their plans from drifting into wonder ball territory and emphasize that the best bowling plans are normally quite simple. Where possible I let them have a bit of fun by making the batsman look stupid so as to keep theirs and my interest up At the clubrooms they're talking of having the kid play 1sts this year and getting him into a winter training squad, there's genuine belief that he could go FC in 3-4 years if he keeps at this rate. Not bad for a high school drop out and teenage dad that could barely bowl 2 decent deliveries in a row a year ago.
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Post by macca on Oct 27, 2012 22:57:50 GMT -5
yeah the number 3 thing you do is just how the young spinner from our club that has made nsw country colts and representing newcastle was training the other day. exactly.
we do lots more out in the middle than in the nets
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Post by macca on Nov 3, 2012 17:41:33 GMT -5
My son is at 11 overs 2 maidens 5/30 so far this season. best start to a season yet and he has 2 very good left handers amongst his victims.
the big difference tween my jimmy and all the other legspinners in his comp and age group is he gives you nothing short. everything is up there to drive except a shorter faster straight one he might fire in. the other spinners can only string a good 4 ball sequence max then they stuff up.
his first over was 4 dot balls to a right hander, a single from a wrongun that beat everything then next ball he brought this really good lefthander down the track, beat him and easily stumped. That was a turning point because he was their best batsman and was playing the fast bowlers as good as anyone has so far this season.
Good front foot player but against the spinner he stepped out and tried to hit a staight 6 and the harder they swing the more unbalanced they end up. dont you just love a good stumping. It helps to have a really classy wicket keeper behind the stumps, my son is so lucky to have the best keeper to spin in his age group to work with.
pay off for all the left hand specific training we do. bowling on that half width pitch outside their off peg.
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Post by tonym on Nov 4, 2012 4:54:10 GMT -5
...dont you just love a good stumping. It helps to have a really classy wicket keeper behind the stumps, my son is so lucky to have the best keeper to spin in his age group to work with. Yes indeed ;D although a keeper is no good if the bowler can't beat the bat! Great start to the season for Jimmy and agreed totally with what you say about length. Thanks again for the update.
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Post by sla on Nov 6, 2012 11:54:22 GMT -5
had a good net session last night, actually took the bowling seriously ( I hate bowling in indoor nets), and bowled 3 guys out, all through the gate.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Nov 8, 2012 20:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by goldenarm on Nov 9, 2012 17:29:39 GMT -5
Good article isn't it? I find myself a bit torn over it to be honest. I am one of the first to speak up against Ajmal if I'm honest. His action looks so dodgy to me, but I've never had a problem with Murali or Saqlain. I've never seen this young bloke bowl so I can't say for sure which camp he'd fall into of doosra bowlers, but the thing that comes across most strongly to me is that he does this naturally, this is just the way he bowls. And in banning him the ECB are essentially ruining his life and any chance of a career in cricket. Also they are hamstringing the English cricket team of the future by making sure they conform to rigid rules which the rest of the world (barring Australia, Inverarity openly abhores the doosra as did Jenner and Mallet) do not play to. How long are we going to stick to our so called principles of acceptable spin and watch our batsmen fall prey to bowlers like Ajmal before we integrate our own homegrown doosra bowlers. Having them on the county circuit also means we 'll be able to play the bloody stuff better when we come across it surely.
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Post by funk192 on Nov 9, 2012 17:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by leftie600 on Nov 10, 2012 21:47:58 GMT -5
Frustrating game yesterday, one of those one dayers where you can't buy a trick. 2 moments sum up my day:
- Set up their keeper with a series of quick legbreaks outside only to have the googly that completely did him get punched off off his gloves and bounce over the stumps - The second was part of an epic battle I was having with their best batsman, saw my opportunity as he left his crease too early so I looped a hard spun legbreak which he proceeded to toe for 6 straight...stupid damn small NZ grounds
Still I did my job I guess; bowling into the wind with the smallest boundary against the best bat on a green non-spinning wicket meant the other guys could attack at the other end knowing that there wouldn't be a demolition happening at mine. 10 overs none for 48 don't show how well I bowled or how frustrated I was, at least we won and I had a decent bowl.
My protege picked up 4 wickets against another weak side, still bowling well obviously but as one of the selectors even I'm waiting to see how he handles one of the good sides before we give him a shot in the firsts.
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