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Post by Someblokecalledave on Aug 24, 2012 18:07:27 GMT -5
Everything about the Orthodox Back-Spiner - Questions, comments, explanations, techniques, issues - post them all here.
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Post by shivam on Oct 10, 2012 8:32:47 GMT -5
well i have started playing matches.every Sunday with the seniors team.well the grounds have mat above the mud pitch. so does the slider skid on that pitch
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 10, 2012 16:49:01 GMT -5
Depends what you call a Slider to some extent. Is the mat textured or smooth, it's not something we have in the UK, this might be a questions some of the Aussies could answer?
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Post by graeme on Oct 10, 2012 22:04:30 GMT -5
My father (who is now 72) used to play on mat pitches. The substrate was concrete though. I don't know of any current pitches using mats, as they all now use astroturf-style carpet permanently installed.
From memory, the mats were a woven koir (sp?) matting.
Cheers,
Graeme
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Post by shivam on Oct 11, 2012 2:30:12 GMT -5
well the mats are like this.plz check the link.its coir matting-http://www.indiamart.com/coirkerala/products.html
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Post by leftie600 on Oct 14, 2012 4:15:14 GMT -5
I think an orthodox back spinner (OBS) is different to a slider.
To me an OBS is where you take a leg break and rotate the wrist toward your head (let's call this anti-clockwise) rather than clockwise which would give you a topspinner. A slider from my view is leg break that is rolled out the front of the hand (think Chris Harris' "leg breaks") as opposed to a leg break which is genuinely flicked out the side using the fingers and wrist.
Anyway, for me an OBS will move on green or soft wickets and a slider will move on really spin friendly wickets. Both will do nothing on flat wickets although the the OBS will get more bounce than a slider if it hits the seam.
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Post by shivam on Oct 15, 2012 0:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by leftie600 on Oct 15, 2012 0:36:54 GMT -5
Sorry Shivam, probably too much detail there.
If you watch Shane Warne (see his 2005 Ashes stuff) you'll see a lot of sliders but no orthodox back spinners, a slider isn't a back spinning delivery like a flipper or an OBS.
A slider will spin on wickets that take a lot of spin.
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Post by leftie600 on Apr 24, 2013 3:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Apr 24, 2013 16:22:49 GMT -5
Mate you're never too old I started changing my bowling action from this...
When I was 49 and now I'm nealy 53 and I'm bowling like this now...
Even this I'm working on and tweaking and trying to improve. As I write a newer vid is uploading to youtube where I've tried to work on the faults that have been identified in this video. So it's never too late!
I had a look and man it looks like you really tweak the ball, looking as though all of your energy goes into it - a full body action as advocated by Philpott. It like to see how and where the ball lands in relation to the stumps and see a few more of the same. It looks as though with your OBS you're getting drift? But, as you say, a purist is probably going to say something about your action, but... if it works and you're taking wickets and not suffering any injuries why tweak something that works eh?
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Post by leftie600 on Apr 24, 2013 22:32:11 GMT -5
My action has changed as I've changed; when I was in my 20's my arm was far higher and I was more an out and out leg spin/googly bowler, now that I'm in my late 30's I've had to build my strength so I can maintain the required bowling workload (hence the more 'physical' action that has resulted from that). It has had its downsides though, my right knee has taken some damage from the big rock back so no football this winter for the first time.
The OBS, if you get the seam correct, should 'drift' in to a RHB. The reason it should is that you have the seam in an inswing position and you have a little bit of legbreak working on it giving it drift. Unfortunately I didn't bowl it as much as I wanted to this season as I would normally bowl at the other end from the protege who is a slider bowler.
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Post by shivam on Apr 28, 2013 0:53:02 GMT -5
even when i bowl the OBS .its seems to drift in towards the RHB. to drift a slider you have to keep the seam in a correct position.but if you keep is scrambled it wont. i used to bowl the slider with the seam in the correct position it used to move.but now i have started the scrambled seam. i will try bowling both now.
one question does the slider skid on mud. or on mud under mat.
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Post by leftie600 on Apr 28, 2013 3:00:05 GMT -5
Hi Shivam,
The softer the wicket (whether it's dust or mud) the more likely a slider or OBS will take turn.
The best example I can think of are part time spin bowlers (think Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh, Chris Gayle, Michael Clarke etc.), if you get these guys bowling on a 'good' pitch they get no turn and look like the part time bowlers they are but when they bowl on soft pitches the 'undercut' deliveries they bowl turn quite a lot. This is because an 'undercut' delivery (which is basically what a slider is) digs in on soft pitches and turns but when the pitch is hard these deliveries take no turn.
In NZ because the pitches are soft and green at the start of the season I tend to bowl a lot of OBS' especially when the seam is still hard.
Just one thing though, you are clear on the difference between an OBS and a slider? To me they are very similar deliveries in terms of results but have some distinct differences:
- A slider is bowled like an undercut legspin delivery, the ball drifts in if the seam isn't scrambled but gets little to no turn. There should be no overspin and thus no dip.
- An OBS is bowled like a normal legspin delivery except the seam points out legslip, if the seam isn't scrambled the delivery gets inswing and in drift.
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