sla
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Post by sla on Nov 7, 2012 7:47:09 GMT -5
This is something I have been pondering recently - the question applies to both leg spinners and offspinners and to LH and RH bats.
I think a legspinner to a RH bat - almost always over the wicket.
I think an offspinner to a LH bat - almost always round the wicket.
The alternative means you pitch the ball outside legstump too often which reduces the chances of both bowled and lbw.
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A legspinner to a LH bat and an offspinner to a RH bat, I think there are reasonably compelling arguments both ways.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts and justifications.
As an SLA, I've just had a two year spell of bowling exclusively round the wicket to LH batsman with mixed success, and whilst I think this is still a good idea in principle, I've decided to go back over the wicket for the next season.
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Post by macca on Nov 7, 2012 13:29:21 GMT -5
I would say at the moment my son bowls 60% over and 40% around to LHB. starts off over usually then goes around if the batsman looks comfortable.
that's just how he works it and the longer the spell he gets the more he will go around. But this season he has already got two of the beat lefthanders out early and from over the wicket. But that is line, length and spin rather than angle.
There is a clip out there somewhere where warne is showing how he liked to use that big change of angle from going around the wicket or reverting to over as a device in itself.
The way you have worked both sides of the wicket over the years means you would be pretty good at both sla so maybe you should mix it up a bit? You probably already do swap a bit so if you were to pick one to favour, maybe over the wicket?
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Post by sla on Nov 8, 2012 9:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah I only bowl 10 over spells (40 over games), and normally aim for a strike rate around 20, so switching from round to over or vice versa would be a sign that something had gone a bit wrong if the bloke was still there at that point.
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Post by leftie600 on Nov 8, 2012 18:50:47 GMT -5
Isn't this really dependent on how much spin your stock delivery gets, how quick you bowl, the pitch and the technique & likely strategy of the batsman? (basically everything)
As sla put in the opening of this; for any spinner spinning the stock delivery into the batsman's pads and is comfortable bowling round or over then that bowler should always give both options due consideration.
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Post by sla on Nov 9, 2012 5:19:38 GMT -5
Yeah, all those things. Which ones do you think suggest which strategy?
I personally also think there is more leeway with accuracy bowling over the wicket to a LH bat (or legspinner round the wicket to LH, or offspinner over the wicket to RH bat etc). If you get the line or length not quite perfect you're less likely to get hammered through the legside. If you just pitch it up outside offstump, that is a big area to aim for where the batsman is going to proceed with caution, in case one rips back through his gate. There seems to be no equivalent "safety zone" going round the wicket.
Also: my experience is that spinners don't get many lbws, particuarly on the front foot, so if I want wickets I have to try and hit the stumps. This is easier from over the wicket where I haev a big gate to aim for.
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Post by leftie600 on Nov 10, 2012 21:58:29 GMT -5
From what I've seen with finger spinners (stupid label, try and bowl an offbreak with no wrist!); if you can't bowl round the wicket (right offspin to RHB) and threaten a LBW with your stock delivery it's all kind of pointless. There's one kid at our club who has a very good arm ball with a decent offbreak, he regularly goes round the wicket.
What I've noticed for finger spinners going round the wicket (again right offspin to RHB) then your stock delivery needs to be pretty quick, even as a legspinner going over to LHB I find the margin of error is tiny the slower I bowl.
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Post by macca on Nov 11, 2012 12:53:00 GMT -5
Part of the legspin craft is to master going from over to around at any point especially against lefthanders for all sorts of reasons and you should train for it.
Beginners shouldn't worry about it untill they can get their over the wicket stuff down pat. That means a lot of bowlers shouldn't attempt it for the first few years, and in some cases never!
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