kulli
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Post by kulli on Oct 16, 2012 11:02:31 GMT -5
Nothing to add yet, just registered and bookmarked today, hopefully it's not just leggers here  |
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 16, 2012 17:02:52 GMT -5
Yeah there's a lot of us about - we've all come over from Bigcricket - where it's gone dead. But it's good to have someone who's a finger spinner. There's loads of you blokes about, but we've never had anyone stick around for any real time. If you look around bigcricket you may see some of the discussions on there that might get this thread going and by all means post in links to Bigcricket if you feel the need to. But having said that - just get a offies thread going yourself. Good to have you on here -looking forward to seeing what you come up with and hopefully you'll get some finger spinners posting and joining?
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Post by graeme on Oct 17, 2012 18:49:13 GMT -5
I've often wondered why spinners stay with only one style (wrist or finger) throughout their careers - or even within games - at least in the elite version of the game. I would have thought the knowledge and guile of a good spin bowler would still function, regardless of the style of bowling he chose to use.
Is it completely unheard of for a leg spin bowler to switch to off-spin when the circumstances require it?
Or is it just a case of a spin bowler developing more tools in his arsenal to deal with those circumstances without the need to swap styles?
Cheers,
Graeme
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Post by macca on Oct 17, 2012 23:14:01 GMT -5
Is it completely unheard of for a leg spin bowler to switch to off-spin when the circumstances require it? i suppose you could say gary sobers used to bowl off spin or legspin depending on circumstance. |
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Post by tonym on Oct 18, 2012 1:49:17 GMT -5
Kulli, welcome on board, hopefully we get a few more offies on here. Unfortunately the 'Swan effect' is less impressive that that for Warne (even in the UK) and still many offies over here are defensively minded slower bowlers.
Graeme, I think probably the biggest reason for sticking with one style is in an attempt to be a 'master of one' rather than a 'jack of all trades'. Given the time taken to establish a consistent action for either leg or off spin combined with then working on a variation or two with a similar action ie disguise, then there is precious little time to work on a whole new skill set
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 20, 2012 8:27:46 GMT -5
Is it completely unheard of for a leg spin bowler to switch to off-spin when the circumstances require it? i suppose you could say gary sobers used to bowl off spin or legspin depending on circumstance. My understanding is that Sobers bowled with both disciplines as well as seam bowling. |
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Post by graeme on Oct 21, 2012 19:07:38 GMT -5
My understanding is that Sobers bowled with both disciplines as well as seam bowling. Yeah, but he was a freak!  Talk about an all-rounder: it's a wonder he didn't keep wicket to his own bowling too! I suppose that makes sense, and it possibly explains why someone with the innate ability of Sobers could actually do it, while the rest of the world (mere mortals) stick to only one discipline. So, apart from Murilitheran, who are the truly great off-spinners of the game? Since I only ever get to see the Aussies play on TV, I haven't been exposed to truly great exponents of off-spin. Our own off-spinners don't seem to be match winners, unable to deceieve in flight or off the pitch regularly. What I see from our guys doesn't look threatening or particularly skillful, other than landing on a good length most of the time. I know I'm missing some of the finer points, so who should I watch to see how it's supposed to be done? (Not that I want Sean to swap from bowling leggies, but because there is always something to learn by broadening the horizons ...) Cheers, Graeme |
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 22, 2012 14:01:42 GMT -5
There's shed loads - Saeed Ajmal www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsRpH5T73HkOur bloke Graeme Swanne, who I'm not a big fan of. Monty Panesar has had his moments, but historically there's been some phenomenal Finger Spinners - Iverson and Gleeson. Probably loads more that others can tell you about. |
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Post by sla on Nov 6, 2012 11:59:27 GMT -5
I like watching Abdur Rehman. Great variations.
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Post by sla on Nov 9, 2012 11:20:53 GMT -5
I've often wondered why spinners stay with only one style (wrist or finger) throughout their careers - or even within games - at least in the elite version of the game. I would have thought the knowledge and guile of a good spin bowler would still function, regardless of the style of bowling he chose to use. Is it completely unheard of for a leg spin bowler to switch to off-spin when the circumstances require it? Or is it just a case of a spin bowler developing more tools in his arsenal to deal with those circumstances without the need to swap styles? Cheers, Graeme I bowl about 90% finger spin, 10% wrist spin, but it could easily be 50:50. If you can bowl both without changing your action it can be really confusing for the batsman. I really don't know why more people don't do it. Well actually I have a fair idea - its because orthodox coaching methods teach that the two skills require completely different bowling actions, which is completely untrue. |
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Post by leftie600 on Nov 21, 2012 16:52:30 GMT -5
Although I'm not a finger spinner I thought this was a pretty good article: www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2012/content/current/story/592257.htmlShowed the benefit of developing what I think is the offspinner's topspinner? (I'm a leggie so it's all Greek to me!) Good to see it being done in Oz as well considering the cult of conservatism around offspin bowling over there, it's one thing to go against the doosra but the topspinner (or backspinner variation) is a legitimate delivery and should be widely taught. |
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Post by leftie600 on Nov 21, 2012 16:59:23 GMT -5
I completely agree about there being no reason why you can't bowl both.
As a legspinner I am confident that the flipper is in reality an offspinning flick bowled with the wrist in a legspin position, to bowl an offspinner I just rotate my hand so the fingers are pointing down the track and I have an offspinner (it's rolled out but it is an offspinner).
Likewise the now famous carrom ball is a variation of the Iverson-Gleeson grip and can easily be bowled by an offspinner that's willing to try (I'm getting a player at my club to work on it, he's nearly there).
What I have seen is that coaches see this as 'messing around' and stop players from learning what will become lethal weapons with a bit of practice.
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sla
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Post by sla on Nov 23, 2012 8:50:10 GMT -5
I completely agree about there being no reason why you can't bowl both. As a legspinner I am confident that the flipper is in reality an offspinning flick bowled with the wrist in a legspin position, to bowl an offspinner I just rotate my hand so the fingers are pointing down the track and I have an offspinner (it's rolled out but it is an offspinner). Likewise the now famous carrom ball is a variation of the Iverson-Gleeson grip and can easily be bowled by an offspinner that's willing to try (I'm getting a player at my club to work on it, he's nearly there). What I have seen is that coaches see this as 'messing around' and stop players from learning what will become lethal weapons with a bit of practice. Definitely the wrong attitude. Learning to bowl should be a fascinating voyage of invention and discovery. As I've probably mentioned before, my dad taught me to bowl by showing me every possible different delivery he could think of and left me to get on with it. By the time I was 10 I could bowl about 15 different deliveries. (couldn't consistently land any of them on a length, mind you) Its so much more fun than being drilled on line and length, line and length, and the dull nuances of bowling actions. I can see why kids these days get bored of learning to bowl. |
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Talk about an all-rounder: it's a wonder he didn't keep wicket to his own bowling too!