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Post by jamesjenks92 on Sept 6, 2012 8:18:19 GMT -5
Hi,
I am fairly new to Leg-Spin and have only been playing cricket for a year. I am contemplating buying a PitchVision Solo or Solo + to help with training and practice as the team i play for do not have any nets or ways of measuring improvement. The team also doesn't net so i cannot practice with them. Luckily there is a park just down the road with a caged area where i was thinking of practicing. There is also another player looking to net more often. I was just wondering if anybody had used one of these before, or even had bought one and would recommend it. I have bought several books and guides on Leg-Spin so hopefully being a blank canvas will help me learn the righ techniques quickly and get some sort of success.
On a side note, I have been tempted to video some of my practice sessions and post them up somewhere to try and get some advice. Would this forum be somewhere where this would be possible.
Keep up the hard work.
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Post by tonym on Sept 6, 2012 8:24:01 GMT -5
James, no experience of Pitchvision myself but feel free to upload a video as and when you have it. This is a relatively new forum, but more are coming across from elsewhere all the time so I am sure you will get some comments/advice, all I would add is that it is difficult to give advice based on a video in general but if you can take shots from at least two angles (side on and from behind the stumps are your best bets) that would help. Best of luck with your practice
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Post by goldenarm on Sept 6, 2012 9:29:06 GMT -5
Hi James nice to have you on board and yes you've definitely come to the right place! This forum may be new but many of us have migrated from longer established forums bound by the spinners fraternal bond. None of us (barring one member) can claim to be experts but what we can provide at the very least is the benefit of our collective experience which I think counts for something. The best way to begin your journey is by watching, reading, discussing and above all else, practicing. Hours and hours upon hours. Also the hand flipping exercise should become your daily ritual, it is the foundation upon which all the deliveries in the leg spinners armoury are based.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 6, 2012 16:24:04 GMT -5
Yeah good to see you here James and hope to see you posting soon - questions and vids. The usual mode is to upload the vids to Youtube and the link them on here and we'll all have a look and see if we can get you going.
In the short term - what's your background - how much bowling have you done previously and if so what discipline have you come over from or are you totally new to bowling?
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Post by jamesjenks92 on Sept 7, 2012 8:52:37 GMT -5
Hi,
I have only bowled probably 3 overs in a match all season and that was when the game was out of our hands and the bowl was getting tossed about to whoever fancied ago. Not really done much bowling as only really been into cricket since the summer but have been practising at least once a week in the park. Unfortunatly we dont net during the season, so there is no real way to prove to the other team members that i can bowl, and to be fair at the moment i wouldnt be in the first 4 bowlers (probably 5 or 6). I play football for a semi-proffesional club in Sheffield as a GK, so i have decent hand-eye coordination so whilst i only have limited scoring shots i rarely get out and do quite well at holding up an end if there is a decent batsmen at the other. I have bought a couple of leg spin guides off of PitchVision by Menno and a KP batting course to work on that side of my game, but my main hope is to be a Leg-Spin bowler. We dont have a proper spinner in our team, just a decent batter who bowls when needed who can put it on a length and not go for many runs but is never going to take wickets unless the batsmen do something stupid. I have not had any teaching but am very enthuastic about cricket in general as well as Leg-Spin so I am considering starting like a development log on here to see how my game develops through the advice i get from yourselves and from others. I am also looking into getting some proffesional coaching from the "Cricket Asylum" on getting myself a sound basic technique and trying to work from there. Will try and get a video posted up next week if possible. Thanks for your advice and enthusiasm, really helps to keep going.
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Post by goldenarm on Sept 7, 2012 9:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 7, 2012 17:06:01 GMT -5
Hi, I have only bowled probably 3 overs in a match all season and that was when the game was out of our hands and the bowl was getting tossed about to whoever fancied ago. Not really done much bowling as only really been into cricket since the summer but have been practising at least once a week in the park. Unfortunatly we dont net during the season, so there is no real way to prove to the other team members that i can bowl, and to be fair at the moment i wouldnt be in the first 4 bowlers (probably 5 or 6). I play football for a semi-proffesional club in Sheffield as a GK, so i have decent hand-eye coordination so whilst i only have limited scoring shots i rarely get out and do quite well at holding up an end if there is a decent batsmen at the other. I have bought a couple of leg spin guides off of PitchVision by Menno and a KP batting course to work on that side of my game, but my main hope is to be a Leg-Spin bowler. We dont have a proper spinner in our team, just a decent batter who bowls when needed who can put it on a length and not go for many runs but is never going to take wickets unless the batsmen do something stupid. I have not had any teaching but am very enthuastic about cricket in general as well as Leg-Spin so I am considering starting like a development log on here to see how my game develops through the advice i get from yourselves and from others. I am also looking into getting some proffesional coaching from the "Cricket Asylum" on getting myself a sound basic technique and trying to work from there. Will try and get a video posted up next week if possible. Thanks for your advice and enthusiasm, really helps to keep going. Ah that's interesting - The Menno aspect, you're the 1st bloke I've heard of that's ever bought Menno's book, what do you reckon to it? Menno recently shut down his Spin Bowling Project website or at best just said that he wouldn't be on there anymore, he was always a bit of a unknown quantity as far as I was concerned. Those blokes that have a commercial/business interest in the subject always seem to hold their cards close to their chest, as such. Yeah go for the log, I'm sure there'll be people that are willing to give you feedback - in essence that's why we're all on here. All the blokes that have come across from Bigcricket are those that made the spin section on bigcricket what it was.
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Post by jamesjenks92 on Sept 8, 2012 15:45:42 GMT -5
The Menno guide was a fairly good guide for me as it got me thinking about the mechanics of bowling and the tactics behind it. For example I now know about flight and drift but did not take anything physical out of it. For a beginner I think it is good but the mechanics didn't suit me so just looked at the very basics and tried to fit that around my action. For example I now get more side on and pivot and get a bit more spin.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 9, 2012 6:43:55 GMT -5
The Menno guide was a fairly good guide for me as it got me thinking about the mechanics of bowling and the tactics behind it. For example I now know about flight and drift but did not take anything physical out of it. For a beginner I think it is good but the mechanics didn't suit me so just looked at the very basics and tried to fit that around my action. For example I now get more side on and pivot and get a bit more spin. Was the info in the guide unique or was it stuff that is generally out there and available? We've always wondered on Bigcricket, if there was anything that we were missing when we're discussing the subject. There's a video that's not on youtube featuring Terry Jenner (ECB video) which covers some of the stuff we all do and talk about, but he strips things down to some real basics and emphasises key elements of bowling, but it kind of comes through with a clarity not seen anywhere else and just makes a lot of sense. Additionally because it's Jenner, you know that it's good information. I suppose that's part of the deal with Menno?
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Post by jamesjenks92 on Sept 10, 2012 5:51:28 GMT -5
well tbh if you look at his recent posts on PitchVision, they are taken straight from the guide. He does go into more detail but still annoys me that i paid £30 for the guide only for him to post it all over the forum, but hey ho. You got a link for that video, would be interested in having a look.
Also been trying to watch more videos of current leg spinners but my knowledge of them isn't great. I know of Scott Borthwick and Michael Beer, anyone else who is currently bowling in England or Internationally. Reason why i say England or people playing for their country is that I can watch them on Sky or watch the highlights on my PC of games from up to a couple of years ago which is great.
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Post by goldenarm on Sept 10, 2012 7:39:26 GMT -5
well tbh if you look at his recent posts on PitchVision, they are taken straight from the guide. He does go into more detail but still annoys me that i paid £30 for the guide only for him to post it all over the forum, but hey ho. You got a link for that video, would be interested in having a look. Also been trying to watch more videos of current leg spinners but my knowledge of them isn't great. I know of Scott Borthwick and Michael Beer, anyone else who is currently bowling in England or Internationally. Reason why i say England or people playing for their country is that I can watch them on Sky or watch the highlights on my PC of games from up to a couple of years ago which is great. to be honest there really aren't any leg spinners around worth watching these days mate, Tahir is the only one on the Test scene. Scott Borthwick is pretty ordinary and Will Beer (Michael was the left arm orthodox the aussies called up for one test in the Ashes) isn't really any better. Steve Smith is dreadful and the aussies have gone right off leggies since Bryce McGain it seems. The only leggie I've enjoyed watching in recent years who's still going is Amit Mishra and he's gone backwards rather than forwards. But he does at least rip a leg break and bowl some nice variations. You're far better off looking to the past for inspiration; Warne, MacGill, Tiger, Grum, Chandra, Gupte, Ring, Armstrong, Qadir, Benaud. The list of great leg spin bowlers goes on and on. Sadly we have little to no videos of the these guys the further you go back so you'll have to bury your head in books and take what you can from those.
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Post by jamesjenks92 on Sept 10, 2012 7:50:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice, will keep an eye out on youtube and the video link page and see what new comes up. Is there a reason for the lack of Leg-Spinners at the moment? Is it because everybody gets compared to said greats, or is more that normal spinners are more common and therefore are getting picked?
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 29, 2012 19:16:34 GMT -5
Good uns just don't come along that often and it does seem that even at 1st class level there's not the coaching to sustain and develop the bowlers to test level. Adil Rashid for a short while looked interesting and he had some input from Terry Jenner, but he's dead now and no-ones taken up the guantlet. Australia have a spin academy as far as I'm aware, but it doesn't (Like ours) produce the goods at Test level. There's a popular perception that you're never going to be good enough to play test cricket as a wrist spinner when you're young, and it seems that get tried out and then get smashed and dropped.
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