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Post by graeme on Sept 6, 2012 0:58:01 GMT -5
G'day all, Well, Sean made it into the district team as a leggie, so once again, thanks to you lot for the help you've supplied (whether you knew you were supplying it or not.  ) I've told him he needs to seek clarification from the various coaches when they tell him to do something with his action, not to be difficult, but to find out exactly what they are trying to achieve with their instructions. For example, last week, one coach told Sean he needs to bowl in a more upright manner. He took that to mean he needed to bowl with his arm vertical, when in fact, they wanted his posture to be upright and his arm to be still in the angled position. They failed to mention that, and consequently, he lost nearly all his turn. That alone was enough to make him doubt what they were asking of him. Once he confided in me about it and I asked the coach what he meant, we established that it was only Sean's upper body they wanted upright. Sean's turn returned and his accuracy improved .... From now on, Sean will be discussing the instructions with the coaches to find out the reasoning behind their instructions. That will give him a better understanding of the fundimentals and a better working relationship with them. Cheers, Graeme |
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Post by macca on Sept 6, 2012 2:16:02 GMT -5
That is fantastic news mate. You have to be pretty good to get picked for one of those teams, especially if it is mainly for his legspin bowling.
Just wondering how is his batting and fielding?
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Post by tonym on Sept 6, 2012 4:07:33 GMT -5
Graeme, good news and well done to Sean. I had seen your posts over on BigC and had drafted a couple of replies that I then deleted before pressing the send button.
As a coach and parent of a youngster I could see both sides, I have certainly seen elements of the 'got to say something' that I think Macca described, although I would hope at district level there is less of that (hope and fact often differ though).
Really pleased that Sean asked for clarification, some coaches may think he is being difficult, but good coaches would welcome that dialogue, if nothing else it proves the player listened. Hopefully Sean can now go on through the winter with a better working relationship with his coach and be able to discuss not just the 'what' but the 'why' of any of the coaches suggestions. For me as a coach all I ask is for players to give any advice a go, if it works great, if it doesn't work for the individual then fair enough, hopefully nothing lost in trying
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 6, 2012 17:08:07 GMT -5
Nice one Graeme, I lose track of where everyone is, are you in the UK or somewhere else, the G'Day suggests you might be in Australia, in which case, we'll be looking out for your updates on how he gets on in his matches. Cheers for the endorsements and crediting us for helping out and getting him through! My own son may be put forward for district trials (pace bowling), just waiting to hear whether he gets the nod.
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Post by graeme on Sept 9, 2012 22:28:19 GMT -5
Hi guys,
Yep, we are in Perth, Western Australia, so the season is just about to start.
Sean's fielding is excellent for his age, although during the final selection phase, they could not really assess that aspect of his game. The sessions were all held indoors due to weather. In addition, Sean attempted to cut the tip of his left pinky finger off with a bandsaw at school, so he was not doing any fielding for three of the five sessions. (All good now though.)
Sean's batting is "capable", rather than "match winning". He only got out 3 times last year (one of which was an unlucky runout after deflection from the bowler's leg onto the stump at the non-strikers' end) and ended up with an average of 35, high score of 16* twice. He defends very well, knowing when to leave, and when to block. That lack of scoring prowess comes from me - I can't bat to save myself, so I was not able to teach him any real scoring strokes. He's now picking some of those strokes up from the coaches, so I expect he'll score a few more runs this year.
Anyway, I will indeed update the forum on his progress this year.
Cheers,
Graeme
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Post by graeme on Sept 11, 2012 18:12:18 GMT -5
Hi team, I spent a little bit of time with Sean yesterday making a video of his action. Although he was a bit fatigued and wasn't getting his normal tweak on the ball, his bowling action was still "normal". I did not try to coach him through these deliveries, since I wanted to capture his natural action. Here's that video: Some of the things I've noticed are: - His bowling arm is pretty-much vertical, regardless of the delivery he is bowling. I've suggested he might use a lower arm angle on his stock delivery, but that will take some time to become "normal" for him.
- That habit of stepping across the crease is pronounced. Even so, he seems to step over the front foot (as Stu Magill has said) and does flick that back leg up at the knee.
- His front foot always points to backward square leg. I want him to point it more towards the batsman, especially now that he will be bowling in spikes.
- I'd like him to use a longer run up (by about 2 steps), but he's comfortable with this one now. He used to have a much longer one.
- I would like him to be more explosive through the crease to get more spin on the ball without increasing the bowling speed, but I don't know how to make that happen.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 15, 2012 18:45:41 GMT -5
Yeah this is a tricky one, I reckon there's some work to be done there and as Stuart Macgill said, it's difficult to do this in written form. I think one of the things we all have to remember when lads are at this age is that it's got to be fun and they have to enjoy it. Here in the UK at this stage the coaches are inclined to pretty much leave well alone if things are going well, so if he's getting the ball to spin and turn off the wicket and taking wickets it may be an idea to let him be? But if he's up for some coaching on the basis of the vid I'm sure someone will chip in with some advice. I reckon Macca's best placed for it though, but if you want I can have a go?
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Post by graeme on Sept 16, 2012 18:30:21 GMT -5
Feel free to have a go Dave. Any comments are welcome.
Cheers,
Graeme
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 28, 2012 18:33:23 GMT -5
One of the things that Macgill said about my bowling related to the leg that comes round the pivot leg. He suggested that the leg shouldn't swing out in the manner that your son and I do and that the leg should come through straighter more like that of a seam bowler. This improves accuracy and balance I think. So it may be worth trying?
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Post by graeme on Sept 29, 2012 7:23:43 GMT -5
Things have progressed rapidly in the last three weeks. I asked Sean to concentrate on putting in a full follow through as part of his action. The coaches had kept telling him to "drive through the crease", but his single step, half-hearted follow through prevented that drive. We worked on it, and now he has rediscovered his spin while keeping his feet in line with the direction of the delivery. Facing him in the nets is now quite an intimidating experience. The deliveries kick up most alarmingly! They are faster, more threatening and more accurate. The coaches now have him working on getting consistency (accuracy) from his stock deliveries. They've told him not to bowl any variations at training. I can understand the reasons for that request. I'll make another video soon. Cheers, Graeme |
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 29, 2012 18:45:51 GMT -5
Sounds promising Graeme, good to hear that he's progressing well. I like the current advice their giving him too. With that bounce being a factor, it sounds like he's getting a fair bit of over spin along with his side spin, so perhaps he's getting the seam to spin around 45 degrees? Does he get the ball to drift at all?
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Post by graeme on Sept 30, 2012 7:41:27 GMT -5
Yep, his natural spin has a 45 axis, and yes, he does drift it. He mixes the seam angle up though, sometimes aiming to have it spin with the seem vertical and angled towards gully, other times scrambled. (These two aims he does at will: no problem getting the seam upright when he aims to do so.)
When he scrambles it, he gets more drift and less predictable turn/bounce. (The axis of rotation is not altered, just the behaviour of the seam.) Right now, that's the only variation he's allowing himself to bowl in his efforts to get that stock delivery landing consistently.
I'll start other thread shortly on the differences between turf and artificial pitches for leggies. It would be good to know what to expect.
Cheers,
Graeme
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