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Post by Someblokecalledave on Aug 25, 2012 17:40:00 GMT -5
Spin-bowling for all it's apparent ease when compared to other disciplines in cricket is seen as being the least physical. But it comes with it's own issues and complaints that can cause serious and long term injury.
This is a thread where you can tell us your stories and seek advice and help.
All other disciplines can join in too!
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Post by funk192 on Sept 6, 2012 7:19:17 GMT -5
Hey Dave, I heard somewhere that you've been having shoulder issues. I've been having the same, I'm curious as to what you are doing to help it heal and if you're doing any physio to strengthen it.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 9, 2012 6:37:25 GMT -5
Yeah I'm kind of resting it at the moment with a longer term plan to work with upper body strength over the winter. I'm hoping it's down to the fact that I've just not been as active as I would normally be because of my younger sons situation www.mpafirsteleven.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/fracture-clinic.html What with him being out of action and requiring a great deal of care, it means I just haven't been out and about with both my sons playing cricket. So where I would have eased into the season gradually, I've had a season where I don't do anything at all, all week and then get a game. The result seems to be that almost every time I've bowled this season within a few balls I've had twinges in my in deltoid. I suppose if I think about it, in comparison with previous years I'm physically much weaker. In fact as an illustration we went to our local country fayre yesterday and the ECB had a stand there with a speed gun thing and off of a standing position I could only manage a bowling speed of 32 mph! I've just this morning decided I'm going to do a program of upper body and core exercises to see if this addresses the situation. I've got a pull up bar and I'll be using that, press ups, planks (Core strength) rotational press-ups, terra band work using the drills they suggest on you tube - post rotator cuff issues. Where does yours hurt and what are the symptoms? I think mine is rotator cuff related because I have a little bit of that symptom where when you're relaxed in bed and you go to move your arm it feels weak and sore. I'm just hoping it's not age catching up with me! |
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Sept 9, 2012 6:48:18 GMT -5
Anyone on here ever broken any of their major bones and if so... During the recovery stages when the bones are fixing and you're getting back to being active, should expect the joins where the bone were broken to suffer any pain as you start to get active again? I'd imagine that you would, but as it's my son I'm slightly concerned, I'll have a look around and see if there's any answers elsewhere, but any personal accounts would be useful.
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Post by cricketdudeguy on Oct 13, 2012 4:04:57 GMT -5
when your callis peels off its like breaking your back for a legspinner you can tbowl for a week and a half or so and if you put a banaid over it you loose all grip over the ball.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 13, 2012 10:27:45 GMT -5
Update on my shoulder. It seems to be generally weak, so bowling very little at the minute to try and rest it. Over the coming months will do re-hab exercises and see how it goes, but I'm kind of preparing myself for the worst and thinking this may be it for me and my bowling. Although one observation I have made is that it's bowling the Leg Break that causes the issues. Bowling Flippers and Top-Spinners seems to be no-where near as hard on my shoulder.
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Post by cricketdudeguy on Oct 13, 2012 15:20:10 GMT -5
yeah same as me dave a few weeks ago i had a sore shoulder not as bad as yours but i could bowl the topspinner and the wrong un. i think the shoulder has a different roation for the legbreak.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 21, 2012 10:20:37 GMT -5
Yeah I'm still taking things easy, but there does seem to be some definite improvement, so that's good, so perhaps by April I may be in a position where I'll be fit enough to play? But I do feel that generally age is catching up with me, I've had a tooth removed last Thursday and the drugs that were involved really knocked me off my feet and I'm feeling like an old bloke at the minute and I'm not liking it!
I've also got Piriformis syndrome, which I need to work on. I reckon I'll take things easy for a while longer and then start to do some yoga, the only thing I do at the moment is pull ups and some walking around at work, other than that I'm pretty inactive.
I reckon though when winter nets start I'll be looking to use the Top-Spinner as my Stock ball and mix it with Leg Breaks and Flippers. If the Leg Break causes problems I'll just drop it. I had an incredibly good season bowling Flippers and Wrong Uns a few years back and I can easily tweak the Top-Spinner so that it comes out as a either a small Leg Break or a Wrong Un.
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Post by cricketdudeguy on Oct 22, 2012 21:47:59 GMT -5
well try ur hardest to hold on to ur wonderfull legbreak and if you stop bowling it you should stop playing. or just bowl the flipper and keep things simple.
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Post by billywhizz on Oct 23, 2012 17:57:54 GMT -5
Dave, I'd bowl whatever deliveries you feel confident of landing consistently. Toppies, googlys and flippers sounds a great combination, if you could pitch them into the right area regurlaly you'd be laughing, and the batsman would'nt.
Age is just a number!! I've seen a leggie in our local league who is in his 60's, and still bamboozles the batsmen.
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Post by Someblokecalledave on Oct 24, 2012 17:48:43 GMT -5
Cheers mate! Yeah I've seen some good older blokes much older than me bowl exceptionally well, but they may have had a life of cricket and may have been doing it for 40 + years! I've only played cricket for 7 years, so I'm still very much a learner! Yeah the issue is partly down to a bad season fitness-wise, if I get back into shape and my arm/shoulder comes good hopefully with some work on getting my length right I might get another year or more?
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Post by funk192 on Nov 6, 2012 8:26:13 GMT -5
Where does yours hurt and what are the symptoms? I think mine is rotator cuff related because I have a little bit of that symptom where when you're relaxed in bed and you go to move your arm it feels weak and sore. I'm just hoping it's not age catching up with me! Sorry for the long delay between the reply. Yeah been having pain at the front of the shoulder. I had been getting deep tissue massages for it and it helped, but now I have been having some pain at the backside of the shoulder near the armpit. After so many months of not bowling because of ongoing feet problems and the shoulder I decided to try bowling a bit last week. I had to adjust my action using more upper body rotation, thinking about making my shoulder and upper body like one moving part at release and keeping the left shoulder, right shoulder and arm in line, while twisting at the hip joint which is more like Warne. I think initially beforehand my arm was losing stability too much of the time when trying to rip it hard. |
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Post by mysteryspin on Jan 11, 2013 20:43:21 GMT -5
G'day. I've just picked up playing cricket again having just left university and about ten minutes after marathon practice sessions I've found that my wrist begins to shake for about fifteen minutes usually. It doesn't hurt at all but just seems a little weird and I was wondering whether anyone had experienced anything similar.
I used to get it a lot when I used to play years ago when I'd been bowling a lot of hard spun leg breaks and off breaks in the same sessions. (I dropped bowling the googly after a bad shoulder injury caused by them which stopped me bowling both leg breaks and googlies so I replaced it with wrist spun off breaks similar to what Murali does but with a different grip which meant I could do it without the same optical illusion of a bent elbow throw.)
My suspicion is that if nobody else has experienced this then it is probably related to this different grip and its bowling action for the offie. Which if it is given that it isn't actually hurting, doesn't affect my bowling and seems temporary I'll probably keep bowling it regardless as I find it pretty awesome being able to turn the ball square in either direction when I want to. I'd just like to find out through process of elimination if it could be because of this ball by asking if anyone gets something similar when bowling in other ways.
Thanks.
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Post by macca on Jan 12, 2013 13:42:36 GMT -5
It could well be the off break causing the problem. The ball you are bowling sounds like Grimmetts "offbreak flipper". If you are using the thumb and second finger snap to gain the spin you are a candidate for wrist and thumb/finger injury for sure.
You mention "marathon" training sessions. That might be a problem if you overbowled that offbreak as part of your practise.
I think most people will advise you to bowl the offbreak a lot less or drop it completely and see if that helps.
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Post by mysteryspin on Jan 12, 2013 18:24:40 GMT -5
I don't use a flipper grip for the offie, in fact the second finger doesn't really contribute to the spinning action and my thumb isn't in contact with the ball. The best way I can describe the grip is that it's like a mirror image of my leg break grip. The leg break grip is the orthodox grip grip of two fingers up, two fingers down with the bent ring finger along the side of the ball and the straight index finger providing most of the finger twist to accompany the wrist flick.
For the off break it's my index finger that is curled down the side of the ball instead and again the index and ring finger are the spinning pair but with the index finger straightening as the wrist unfurls. The grip closely looks similar but not quite like a circle change up grip in baseball. Together my leg break and off break use exactly the same muscle groups and fingers (part of the idea for that was that regardless of whether I bowled a leggie or offie I'm exercising and strengthening the same muscles making each spin more) but used in reverse. That's the bit that seems to puzzle me the most is that I'm not using any different muscles.
One thing I think I might try tomorrow if the weather is OK and if not a future weekend is to bowl for about three hours continuously bowling just the off breaks and see if anything happens after that. If something happens afterwards that should shed some light on it, if not I'll try it again another time but with some top spinners and back spinners bowled with the same grip as I occasionally bowl those for variety when bowling at a batsman that I'm bowling the off break as a stock ball to for tactical reasons.
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